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Introduction:
Mediator Julian Klugman describes how he handles violent or potentially violent situations.
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Confronting Violence
Julian Klugman
Former CRS Mediator, San Francisco Office
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[Full Interview]
Answer: I quieted them down. You're teaching them, you're a role model. It's how do you deal with
that anger. I've been in some very violent situations, where you get angry, your heart starts
beating, and your natural impulse is to lash out. That's where training comes in. Or, if I'm really
angry or if the violence is really scaring me, I take a deep breath and I psychologically step back
a foot. I wait until my heart stops pounding which takes about sixty seconds before I respond at
all. You can be angry, but it's got to be controlled. Listen to what the person's saying, don't
respond to the anger. Don't be condescending, don't be a smart-aleck, don't act like you're really
afraid. Don't be a psychiatrist, but do take the person off the hook and depersonalize it. And this
is where the interracial thing becomes important. There are differences between people and
between groups and how they deal with anger. Do you know the book that the white professor at
the University of Illinois did about the differences in confrontation between black and white?
It's an excellent book; you ought to read it. You've got a great difference in perception
sometimes of what's happening. I saw it in Palm Springs once. Here's this nice, sweet, young
white teacher and a black woman parent came out with a lot of anger, which really wasn't
directed at this woman. The white woman started crying and the superintendent wrote a
complaint letter to the Attorney General of the U.S. about the mediator.
Question: How does the mediator deal with that problem?
Answer: Well, you're a role model, you ease up the flow. You might suggest a bathroom break.
Question: Then you take the black person aside and say the reason she's reacting this way is because...
Answer: No. I would not presume to tell this woman she does not have a right to be angry. This
young
white teacher; you tell her it's not personal. She was head of the cheerleaders and there were no
black cheerleaders. There was no prejudice involved, of course, but the Palm Springs high
school did not have any black cheerleaders. So they wanted some black cheerleaders and she
had her own little kingdom of cheerleaders. There are a number of techniques. You break the
flow, you talk calmly, you go onto another issue. You assert control in the situation.
Question: Going back to the anger management, when things get really hot in a mediation, how do you
cool them down?
Answer: Sometimes you can make a joke. Everybody likes it when you laugh at yourself and make
fun
of yourself, so you can diffuse a situation through humor. One former CRS director used to
draw cartoons. Very good ones. I'll show you, I've got a whole series of them. He would sit
there and he was like a professional cartoonist, although he was a lawyer.
Question: Break the flow. Any other ideas?
Answer: About how you handle it? Ultimately you could adjourn the meeting, if you had to, or you
could have a recess. And then you talk to the person.
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